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    Guys we do have a Wiki - we can also utilize that. Its true you cant list every mob and every stat in the forums and it would be a wasted effort but a Wiki update would be awesome! :)

    Quote from Shadow

    You can't expect us to list in this thread or any other, over 1000 monsters and their resistances. It won't reach everyone. For instance I already explained on the forums kazilions times that Demi Resistance is just made up name, the real name is "Warrior Resistance + Sura Resistance + Assassin Resistance + Mage Resistance", all rolled into one. As there is no monster that is a character, it is just a pvp bonus. Yet despite the many times I told so, you didn't know.

    That was not my intention. I want something more general. I mean, average damage resistance = resistance against physical hit (not skills), archers and swordsmen, resistance against skill damage = skills from bosses and pvp, that's what most of players probably interpret. But that logic like I said cant be used with all stats (and here comes the Demi Human resistance example that I said).


    What we players need is a bit more information, for example, for what is useful magic resistance in pvm? Against every mob that hit with range attacks that are like "shining things"? Is useful in X or Y or Z map? Is even useful? This type of info is what I and other players want, to have a general idea.


    And in regard to what you said about list every mob with their resistance and dmg, can you copy that information in some word file and upload for everyone? I mean, in the image that you posted about fire attack, I see that one can select that with the mouse easily, so probably is not difficult to do that.

    To be honest if your full moon sword has +- average damage and skill damage, you know it deals more or less damage with hits and skills. So if there is a bonus with the same name but a "resistance" name in the end, it is clear what it does. Like I said Demi resistance is a name, if the players think it confuse people they can always come up with a new name, like PVP resistance. This is what polls are for.


    Usually ranged attacks from monsters are either under the category of arrows or magic. If it is arrow, you can dodge the attack with another bonus, chance to dodge, if is magic you can't. Again is not hard to find these informations, because the max bonus for magic is 15%, if a monster is dealing huge damage, you can turn on an item with 15% and see if it lowers, if the damage is irrilevant then you don't even care.


    We can't disclose all the contents of that file in public sorry.

    Shadow Any thoughts on the WiKi idea? I`m not offering to fill it with details for every mob. There can be a "maps" section, under witch the relevant information could be listed. Such as - a list of mobs that are present including bosses, metins, veins and the like. The mobs could be grouped

    - ranged (mob name eg. Dryads): Physical dmg.\ weakness - none

    - Boss - Ancient tree - magic dmg.\ weakness - str. vs devil\ resistance vs sword


    That the info is in one place, it's not watered down by random people and is avail. to everyone :)


    Also information on crafting would be great! :)

    For def against monsters' attacks you can read here. Unless Shadow changes the way PvM works, the text I created is a must read for every player, new or experienced.

    The vs. monsters general bonus works against all monsters. In addition to it, some monsters, not all, have a particular weakness. I didn't address any word on this because the vs x type of monsters is needed only in certain parts of the game, not everywhere. It helps if you ask what you need, so I won't spend my next 2 days listing all monsters and their weakness.


    At this point in the game you should also keep in mind that you can do any run, farm in any map and ignore the next bonuses: lightning res, wind res, fire res, ice res, dark res, earth res. If there will be any change in the way PvM works, it will be posted in my Basics for Beginners asap.

    Quote from Vyenna

    At this point in the game you should also keep in mind that you can do any run, farm in any map and ignore the next bonuses: lightning res, wind res, fire res, ice res, dark res, earth res. If there will be any change in the way PvM works, it will be posted in my Basics for Beginners asap.

    But in runs (hell run, ice run) 2 of those bonus are useful, or that I read in their guides here. So maybe the others works too in other runs, or in some normal map.

    For example, dark resistance, suppose it works in devil catacombs against the bosses and in general. A 10% of dark resistance > 5% skill resistance, so I will buy a low lvl armor and a necklace with 10% dark resistance and can do azrael easily, dont need to spend a great amount of money on lvl 1, 21, 41, 61 shields with 5 skill resistance or armors or upgrade lvl 90 accesories with skill resistance. This was an example.

    Fire and Ice res lower the dmg of close combat mobs. When you are at 55-60% block they won't be able to deal any dmg before you will kill them. And in Ice run you need magic res because that is the only way to lower the dmg of long ranged mobs.


    From my experience, the items I use in catacombs are good for DT, ice, hell, erebus and ochao all together. The only difference comes from the fact I am dragon mage and I have to buff instead of actually do the killing. We still go in party instead of multi accounting a run because time is money. But from what I know none of my partners use any elemental res but a set of items good for everything.

    This server is now officially dead. The newcomers were not able to build better gear, the damage is weirder than ever and the safe zone is slowly becoming empty from shops. Only 2 shots was needed to kill it, this update and the 2nd server.


    It's sad that something which was looking like the best metin2 server ever built died suddenly.

    Quote from Nature2

    This server is now officially dead. The newcomers were not able to build better gear, the damage is weirder than ever and the safe zone is slowly becoming empty from shops. Only 2 shots was needed to kill it, this update and the 2nd server.


    It's sad that something which was looking like the best metin2 server ever built died suddenly.

    The update you quoted has nothing to do with new players, wtf are you talking about xD?

    Quote from Elspeth

    Hey there


    I'm not entirely sure how balancing PvP and making it easier to get decent stats would disturb any new player, maybe you can enlighten me.

    I wrote that in my opinion none of these actually happened.


    Go in map1 and show me those newcomers that built pvp. There is 0 pvp, no one is interested to play pvp anymore. There are 3 or 4 players in map1, half of them afk.


    This is how map1 looks like nowadays :


    Hey there,


    considering that you are taking a screenshot near midnight servertime, which is even later in the night for the entire eastern european and asian community wouldn't really set a high bar i suppose. I'm not going to deny that there arent a lot of PvP players but thats definitely not because of the things you named.

    Quote from Elspeth

    Hey there,


    considering that you are taking a Screenshot near midnight Servertime, which is even Later in the night for the entire Eastern european and Asian community wouldn't really set a high bar i suppose. I'm not going to deny that there arent a lot of PvP players but thats definitely not because of the things you named.

    The maps look like this at any hour of the day. The last raid was right after this update, 6 months ago.


    It can't be denied that the server never looked so empty. The reasons are clear, if you accept it or not.


    What was supposed to be a boost for attracting new players into pvp it has done exactly the opposite because without those 8 pvp bonuses, there is no way anyone lvl 35-90 would resist more than a few seconds.


    On high level, it's even worse. There is no balance when archers make 3k hits in ~100 res. There is no balance when mages play with hits instead of skills.


    Also, rolling items is a joke. It's 10 times harder than it was before update. You literaly need hundreds of changers to get bonuses that barely can be called decent ( if you can call 3/5 decent ).

    At the moment, changers are close to 40kk. Please try to make a newcomer even consider building pvp under these conditions.


    I am ready to make a bet that at this moment there isn't one single player that has finished building pvp gears entirely.


    The only way to keep this server alive after this update was to bring new updates with new features that bring interest to people but the priority was to focus on opening server2 which is doomed to failure aswell. Now it's probably too late to save something.

    Quote from Elspeth

    Hey there,


    considering that you are taking a screenshot near midnight servertime, which is even later in the night for the entire eastern european and asian community wouldn't really set a high bar i suppose. I'm not going to deny that there arent a lot of PvP players but thats definitely not because of the things you named.

    No matter of time, even if there are 10, 20 or 30 people in town it's still considered as "dead". A year back there were a lot more players no matter time.